Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!!

by linfar, Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:42:56 PM EST

cross-posted at clintonistasforobama

coyotebytes

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. Hillary supporters have joined the GOP-backed madness swirling around Barack Obama's birth certificate. In their zeal to defeat Barack Obama Hillary supporters have become the latest dupes in a GOP rumor mill discrediting Barack Obama's birthplace--thus making him ineligible to be President.

According to the Online Journal, GOP dirty tricks operatives visited Kenya to dig up any useful "dirt" on Barack Obama, Jr., and his late Kenyan father Barack Obama, Sr. And now they say there is a "smoking gun."  About Obama's birth certificate.

Oooooooh.  Sounds ominous doesn't it??

Get a grip folks! What they found is a birth certificate from the Kenyan city of Mombasa registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr., on August 4, 1961. However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals.

Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to his Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Kenya. Obama's parents were enrolled at the University of Hawaii. They divorced when Barack Obama was two years old.

Is it possible the GOP hopes  to make the claim that Senator Obama is not eligible to become President of the United States because he was born in a foreign country, or, at the very least, plant the seed in the voters' minds that Obama is a foreigner even if the charge is false?

Of course, it is possible. And the fact that the state of Hawaii does not open birth records to the public has only fueled it. But what seems most deplorable to me is that in this latest effort to smear the presumptive Democratic Party nominee  Hillary supporters are latching onto an obvious Republican smear.

Here's a little snarky take on the whole deal:

Top Ten Reasons Obama Won't Release His Birth Certificate

10. Despite the claims of his supporters, it was not technically a virgin birth.

9. Full name is Ayatollah Mubarack Hussein Obama-Khomeni bin Laden.

8. Actual birth date would reveal he's a Virgo, and those people are %#&*@! CRAZY.

7. Accidentally shredded it while going through his Rezko mortgage records.

6. Doesn't want NARAL to find out that his mom was pro-life.

5. Religion listed as "Muslim. Er, I mean Christian, yeah, that's the ticket! Christian!"

4. "You show the reporters the birth certificate, then they want to see the baby pictures, and after oohing and aahing for an hour, you're inviting them to stay for dinner, and... look, I've got a lot of stuff I need to get done, okay?"

3. Instead of being born at Leahi-Kai or Maluhia hospital, his mom picked Kokua Kalihi, and that place is just so ghetto.

2. His real father? Little Richard.

1. Can't he just eat his waffle?

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/ printer_3349.shtml/

http://exurbanleague.com/2008/06/09/top- ten-reasons-obama-wont-release-his-birth -certificate.aspx




Tags: Barack Obama, birth certificate, hawaii, GOP (all tags)

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Thank you, Linfar (2.00 / 15)

Its a sign of how far we've changed since a few months ago that I'm able to say that.

Having just regained my rec/rate privileges, I'm proud to be able to rec this diary.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:45:54 PM EST

Re: Thank you, Linfar (2.00 / 36)

gracias. And glad you can rate and rec again.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:54:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

double thanks, linfar (1.93 / 15)

we've been on opposite sides of the primary battle.  i'm so pleased to be on the same team again.

rec'ed.

(that was really good snark, BTW)


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:11:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: double thanks, linfar (2.00 / 5)

I'm working on the snark...


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:48:55 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (2.00 / 2)

Clarity is important.  You don't want to get people asking "Is this snark?  Seriously."

This was clearly snark.  And good, appropriate snark at that.


by Pragmatic Left on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:59:57 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (2.00 / 2)

Who was the dick who TRed you?  That was undeserved.

COrrect me if I'm wrong, but it wouldn't matter WHERE Obama was born.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search /display.html?terms=1401&url=/uscode /html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----00 0-.html

There are several that deal with children born to one US citizen and one non-citizen outside of the country.  So either he is born in Hawaii and he is a citizen or since his mom lived in the US for the time periods specified prior to birth, thus by jus sanguinis he'd be a citizen.  Either way he is a US citizen and eligible.  What slimy POS's.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:56:29 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

That's interesting -- I just learned something --

Essentially, this is someone who is naturally born (vs. adopted) as a US Citizen at birth.

It's an interesting argument.  If Obama were born in Kenya (highly doubtful), it would be a simple argument to make that at his natural birth he was a US Citizen anyway, because of his mother.

Since it's never come up before, it would be a constitutional question -- one that would only be able to be resolved with some serious educating of the public.  There is not enough ambiguity IMHO to worry about him actually being ineligible, though I don't relish the possibility of having to spend more time "educating" as opposed to discussing real issues that matter to people.


by Pragmatic Left on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:09:20 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

Apparently there is a little more to this... According to the NY Times, the law was different when Obama was born.  

My bet is that there is either something with his parents not really being married, or his mom DID actually name him Barry OR his mom used her name.  Not sure... but he may want to head this off and fast.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:00:41 PM EST
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Barry (none / 0)

I don't get the whole Barry thing.  I understand conservatives like to use it and Obamans like to correct whenever it's used.  If it really were his legal name, however, so what?  Is Barry considered a less electable name than Barack?  Would Obama somehow be considered deceptive and untrustworthy if he chose to go by his father's name at some point in life?  I don't get it.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:58:40 AM EST
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Re: Barry (none / 0)

It's just a sign of disrespect. Kind of like referring to someone who likes being called Charles, "Chucky", when they no longer wish to be known by old nicknames.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:56 PM EST
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Re: Barry (none / 0)

It was his grandmother who started calling him by his nickname Barry, and she still does.  On his Birth Certificate his name is Barack Hussein Obama.

In addition, he is not a Virgo (at stated in diary), he's a Leo.  He was born on August 4, 1961 in HI.


by Darqhorse on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:35:55 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

It's actually not entirely clear what "natural born citizen" means. It could mean citizen at birth, or it could mean constitutionally entitled to citizenship (children born abroad are citizens by act of Congress)--McCain actually has the same issue, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Practically speaking though, it's a political question, so a natural born citizen is whoever wins the election.


by ggrrzw on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:41:46 AM EST
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The difference with McCain is that he was (none / 0)

born on a US military base = same as US embassy = USA!

My stepbrother has dual citizenship US/Canada. Our father is American, his mother is Canadian therefore held dual citizenship but by law had to choose when turning 21 - that was back in the 70's so I don't know if it still applies.


by suzieg on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:44:40 AM EST
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I've lived all over the world and I have never (none / 0)

heard of a country issuing a birth certificate because of your parent's citizenship if you were born elsewhere. You do get however, a certificate of citizenship but not a birth certificate! You cannot have two different birth certificates from two different countries.

I'm married to a british citizen and as a result, Britain has issued me a "certificate of patriality"  which allows me to travel and work anywhere in the European Union. Kenya being a former British Crown Colony might have issued him the same document and whomever is peddling this probably made a mistake by associating patriality with birth certificate.  


by suzieg on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:03:10 AM EST
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Re: The difference with McCain is that he was (none / 0)

McCain's argument is much stronger than just being born on a military base.  He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was basically US territory at the time.  It's similar to Barry Goldwater who was born in Arizona before it was a state or someone born in Puerto Rico today.  Legally, I don't believe military bases are treated as US territory, unlike embassies.  If he had been born on a US military base in a foreign country, he would have a serious constitutional problem.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:05:33 AM EST
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Re: The difference with McCain is that he was (none / 0)

The PCZ was basically US territory, certainly, but under the terms or the treaty sovereignty lay with Panama.


by ggrrzw on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:46:14 AM EST
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Just so you know (none / 0)

If you share a father, that makes him your Half Brother, not your Step Brother.

A Half Brother shares a parent.  A step brother is the child of two people other than your parents, who becomes related to you by one of your parents marrying one of theirs.

Doesn't really matter, but there you go.


by Skalite on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:35:08 AM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

Who was the dick who TRed you?  That was undeserved.

COrrect me if I'm wrong, but it wouldn't matter WHERE Obama was born.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search /display.html?terms=1401&url=/uscode /html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----00 0-.html

There are several that deal with children born to one US citizen and one non-citizen outside of the country.  So either he is born in Hawaii and he is a citizen or since his mom lived in the US for the time periods specified prior to birth, thus by jus sanguinis he'd be a citizen.  Either way he is a US citizen and eligible.  What slimy POS's.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:56:33 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

you have to be Natural born citizen , not just a US citizen... there is some ambiguity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-bor n_citizen#US_presidential_candidates_bor n_outside_the_US


by el mito on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:29:14 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

I'm about 90% sure that if you're born abroad of just ONE US parent you're a US citizen by birth. That would still be a natural born citizen.

FYI: By law George Washington was ineligible  :o)  


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:07:39 PM EST
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The Constitution did account for that (none / 0)

All natural-born citizens and citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption.

Martin van Buren was the first president to be born in the U.S.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:10:10 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

Washington would have been eligible vis-a-vis the fact that he lived in the US at the time of its founding.

But I do believe being born to an American makes you a natural born citizen, regardless of where you are born, so long as you are not adopted at birth into citizenship.


by Pragmatic Left on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:11:43 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

Being born to US citizens makes you a naturalized citizen... vs someone foreign born to foreign parents who became a citizen (ala Schwarenegger)  I have read that article before... In truth it has NEVER actually been challenged in court.  That's a BIG gamble for a party to take challenging the citzenship... losing that could seriously hurt your chances.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:03:13 PM EST
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Re: double thanks, linfar (none / 0)

Whoops, mean natural born.  

Regardless, my bet is that Obama would easily win this case.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:07:52 PM EST
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probably an "oops TR" (none / 0)

sometimes, if you select a rating, then use your arrow keys to scroll up, you'll accidentally change the rating.

no biggie.


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:08:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: probably an "oops TR" (none / 0)

I'd agree with that, i've seen who troll rated you and i would believe it was an accident


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:25:32 PM EST
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Your intellectual honesty is commendable. (2.00 / 1)

I was hoping that some of the rabid Clintonistas (no, that's not meant as an insult) would see the bigger picture once we were on the same team and be just as rabid and forceful for Obama.  Some may not be there yet, but you have shown the way here.

Not only that -- this was clever, witty, important and relevant.

Thank you.


by Pragmatic Left on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:58:26 PM EST
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Likewise. (2.00 / 1)

That is all.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:25:02 PM EST
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Another HRC supporter bash dairy (1.16 / 6)

So much for unity. I guess BO supporters don't want our vote.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:46:13 PM EST

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 19)

Linfar was one of the most ardent HRC supporters before she suspended her campaign.


by DPW on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:48:22 PM EST
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Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (1.90 / 10)

Guess who is pushing this rumor over at NoQuarter?

The always pathetic and amusing SoCal Darlin.

Memo to Obama: Missing Documents »
By TexasDarlin on June 11, 2008 at 7:45 AM in Barack Obama | 361 Comments
Memo to: Sen. Barack Obama
Subject: Missing Documents

Now that you are the "presumptive nominee" for the Democratic Party, it's important to unlock the file cabinet and disclose key documents that seem to be in hiding. It's best to make your life an open book now rather than get hammered by the GOP and 527s for secrecy in the coming months. They have already started, in case you haven't noticed.

Missing documents to be released ASAP should include:

1. Birth certificate -- read the Internet. There is a growing buzz about your reported refusal to release it. Put these silly rumors to rest, and publish immediately!


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:55:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 8)

Yes, SCDarlin has a diary on her own website where she attacks him for supposed dual-citizenship.


by rfahey22 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:57:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

as a texan (2.00 / 10)

thank you to you both for not calling her by her online moniker.  it makes us real texans look bad.

:^D


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:13:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have an American friend who 's living and (none / 0)

gave birth to her 2 kids in Toronto. She conceived them by in vitro at 48 and 50, so no husband involved to confuse matters. She might be in a good position to explain it because the last time I spoke to her, she was applying for Canadian Citizenship but I never asked her what happens to her kids! It would be good to know if which blood line matter from which side of the parent like in Europe. In Spain, France and Italy, I definitely know, it's the father who determines the citizenship.


by suzieg on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:25:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 9)


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:48:26 PM EST
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Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 8)

LOL


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:48:44 PM EST
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Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 7)

DOH!


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:54:48 PM EST
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Wow (2.00 / 7)

I guess you don't hang here very much.  It was sort of hard to miss which candidate Linfar was supporting.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:56:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 7)

Is this a joke?  Linfar was a huge Hillary supporter.  You may also note the blog name Clintonistas for Obama implies that Linfar is a Clintonista.  Pretty subtle, I know.    

As for LJ and the "I call a spade a spade" crew, there's no way to reach out to people who read a Stephen Frey book and say "hey, let's pretend this tape existed in real life."  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:57:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (2.00 / 6)

Linfar was one of the best known Clinton supporters, you bloody idiot.


by Aris Katsaris on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:00:26 PM EST
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It's called freakin SNARK :) (2.00 / 3)

Next time I'll put <sarcasm>around it<sarcasm>


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:06:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's called freakin SNARK :) (none / 0)

Common Chelsea, your telling me over 10 members replied to mistaken snark?

Insert "Backepeddleing" sound effect here.  [I looked on the internets, couldnt find one!]


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:11:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's called freakin SNARK :) (2.00 / 1)

Why would I have rec'd this diary, AND bashed it at the same time?

Not to mention "snark" being mentioned in the diary itself.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:19:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LMAO - Good one Chelsea (none / 0)

I am glad to see us coming together and Obama supporters defending Clinton supporters...I think they were about to let you have it :)


by netgui68 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:30:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's called freakin SNARK :) (2.00 / 4)

This was either the best or the worst snark in the history of the intertubes.... but I'm not sure which.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:13:29 PM EST
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best (2.00 / 5)

I'm very humble...but I'll go with best.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:20:23 PM EST
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Re: best (2.00 / 3)

Fair enough. ;)


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:20:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (none / 0)

This diary has nothing to do with HRC.

And Linfar is about as pro-HRC as they come.

Begone troll!


by Deadalus on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:50:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL (2.00 / 2)


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:54:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (none / 0)

Still awaiting a positive comment from Chelsea 2020 - oh well, maybe tomorrow.


by interestedbystander on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:05:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (none / 0)

WTF are you talking about?


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:10:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (none / 0)

Do you just have a copy-paste "so much for unity" comment ready to go at all times?  You know, "So much for unity" doesn't work in any (or most) situation(s).


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:42:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (none / 0)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar y/sarcasm


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:45:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

First remove your head from your ass (none / 0)

Then we can talk.


by DaveG on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:49:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another HRC supporter bash dairy (none / 0)

How is this a bash diary? The core of the matter is not what any HRC person did, but the rumor the GOP is circulating. And that is what gets bashed.

That rumor makes little sense. Any American citizen couple who births a child while abroad has to register that child with the Embassy to protect its citizenship rights.  The real question is what the Kenya filing says was the place of birth, if it says anything about that. Good catch!


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:18:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 5)

Who are you and what have you done to Linfar?


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:47:18 PM EST

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 42)

I am a HillaryClinton democrat and like her I support Bareack Obama.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:55:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 5)

You get some really well deserved mojo for that comment.  


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:58:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 2)

Linfar, to you, Mojo, Rec, High Five and the first song that popped into my head (IM NOT PLAYING!)


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:15:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 2)

Commented on this further down thread. Jeeeze, how many times can you say the "f" work in one song, huh?


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:05:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (none / 0)

You don't want to know.
You should hear a particular song from South Park The Movie.  ;)
by Kysen on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:03:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (none / 0)

You're an uncle F$#@er, yes its true... nobody F$#@s their uncle quite like you...


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:09:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 3)

linfar has posted several diaries since the primaries ended.  I'm happy to see another person working to beat McCain.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:57:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 1)

Very happy to see it!  

I have a feeling that linfar will do a damn commendable job in chewing McCain up.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:37:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 3)

My name is ___and I have taken over her bodeeeee.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:06:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 3)

just because she was saying things you did not want to hear did not make her stupid crazy or a traitor ya know...sad that you and way to many here still think that


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:07:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow (2.00 / 11)

This is a pretty weak attack.  I'm surprised anyone would take a crack at it, especially since John McCain was born in Panama himself, and everyone is cool with him running (winning?  No... Running, sure).

Even if he were born abroad (which seems unlikely; I don't think she was ever in Mombassa), I'm fairly sure that his mother being American is all it takes.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:51:46 PM EST

Re: Wow (2.00 / 1)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search /display.html?terms=1401&url=/uscode /html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----00 0-.html

I thought the same... its a LITTLE more complicated, but not much.  Basically the mom or dad has to be a citizen and live continuously in the US for a period of a year or two either at anytime or 5 years prior depending on the circumstances.  I think Obama is fine.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:59:09 PM EST
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Re: Wow (none / 0)

I thought natural-born meant you had to be born here or in one of those external places on the list that we count as "here" like Panama.

Is there really a doubt he was born in HI?


by SophieL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53:12 AM EST
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Re: Wow (none / 0)

Seems to me the questions can be answered by the further question of whether he had a US passport at any point. Either when he was taken to Indonesia as a baby (at which point he might have been on his mother's passport), or when he went traveling to Pakistan. They don't give passports to noncitizens.

A filing in Kenya by his already gone father only means that to the extent he has rights of one kind or another in Kenya by reason of his father being Kenyan, their bureaucratic system requires registration at some point. This filing is probably to protect that, so he is not a foreigner there if the father and son ever reconciled, NOT a statement that he was born in Kenya. Dual citizenship requires parallel papers. I know.

My daughter in law is working on dual citizenship with Barbados, with two Bajan parents, but she was born in Brooklyn. If she is born here, she is a US citizen, period. It's the Bajan citizenship at issue. Only the born-here US citizenship is an issue for Obama and the passport should anwer that.


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:32:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 9)

It never fails to amaze me, the weird tabloid-obsession of Obama hatred. It's the same fixation people had on Bill Clinton's personal life.


by animated on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:52:22 PM EST

I know... (2.00 / 15)

And that's why I'm disappointed with these people who call themselves "hillary supporters". They obviously don't really care about her if they want to do to Obama what was done to her husband.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:54:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know... (2.00 / 10)

Yes, Andrew. Exactly. I just don't see much reason or reality. It's ok to hurt, we all still do. But endorsing Republican smears is not ok!


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:56:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know... (2.00 / 2)

YEAH!!!! I just noticed I got my MOJO back.  Hell Yeah.  My first bit of business is to Rec your diary and give you some ratings love.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:00:15 PM EST
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They also like to ignore the fact that Hillary supports Obama.


by skohayes on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:24:45 PM EST
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Re: I know... (2.00 / 1)

who? when? where?


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:08:50 PM EST
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Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (none / 0)

and Hillary


Change Before It's Too Late
by Jeter on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:45:42 PM EST
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Great job, linfar... (2.00 / 11)

Hillary herself would DEFINITELY not approve of these smear efforts against Obama done in her name. It's time for all of us to recognize that if we want a Democratic President in 2009, we need to work our hardest to elect Obama this fall.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:52:23 PM EST

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Nicely done. Thanks for posting, Linfar.

Then again, McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, so maybe Huckabee's supporters will try to get him thrown off the ballot, too. These are desperate times indeed.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:53:51 PM EST

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 6)

oh, and...

2. His real father? Little Richard.

Ha!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:55:01 PM EST
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Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 9)

I'd have gone with James Earl Jones myself... just to add that little extra bit of pop culture.

"Barack, I am your father."

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:56:09 PM EST
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lol. thass a laugh


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:57:32 PM EST
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I don't think it'll be the Huckabites.  I think it'll be the P4U1ites.


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:55:16 PM EST
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This one is delicate for the GOP to go after, since McCain was born in Panama.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:54:24 PM EST

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 1)

Actually he was born in the Canal Zone which was US territory. Also Children of US military get Embassy birth certificates even if they are born in local hospitals.
by parahammer on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM EST
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I completely agree.  

However, the distinction and nuance can be lost on the uninformed.  It's just as specious an argument.

Next time, I'll read through the comments.  My thoughts were already repeated twice above.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:15:17 PM EST
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nah. they are wading in and since Obama campaign will not release his bc, it is gaining traction.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:03:07 PM EST
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Love the top ten reasons.  

And I agree - what a non-starter.  Sad to see people becoming so desperate.


by JustJennifer on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:57:39 PM EST

Re: Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!! (2.00 / 3)

Except that Obama campaign will not release his birth certificate and it is gaining traction. Some people think they will not release it because it will show Barry, not Barack, as given name. Whatever the reason, they should release it before this goes any further.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:01:52 PM EST
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Hmm..surely a copy of his birth certificate exists somewhere.  And surely he wouldn't be so stupid as to rename himself Barack and cover up the fact that he was born in Africa.  I don't think either of these things could actually become a real issue for him.  Seems very tin foil hat to me.


by JustJennifer on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:06:16 PM EST
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<blockquote>... cover up the fact that he was born in Africa.  I don't think either of these things could actually become a real issue for him. </blockquote>

From my troll scoping, for someone born outside the US to be considered a natural-born citizen, the parent of record would have to have lived in the US for 10 years, 5 of those above age 16 (according to the law of the time). Obama's mother wasn't 21 yet, so she couldn't have fulfilled the second half of that criteria. As a result, he wouldn't be eligible for the Presidency.

Assuming, of course, this is at valid, which it isn't.


by TCQuad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:13:45 PM EST
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This whole issue of citizenship is one HUGE, GIANT, ENORMOUS, MONUMENTAL...whew, got out of breath there for a moment...non-starter.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:20:07 PM EST
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search /display.html?terms=1401&url=/uscode /html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----00 0-.html

You're mistaken.  Here is the law.  Its a heck of a lot easier than that.  At the very least (G) would pertain and says Mom had to live in the US at least 5 years in her life and two have to be after age 14.  


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:06:40 PM EST
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where did you read that anyway?


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:07:37 PM EST
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Some trash rag.

They claim that the law at the time of his birth was more stringent. I don't know. I don't think it matters anyway, so I'm really not up for looking it up.


by TCQuad on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:16:26 PM EST
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Yeah after I asked, I found it the NY Times Blog... My guess is that Obama would win this fight if it came down to it and if McCain was stupid enough to actually wage this fight, the Dems would go after him as well.


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:11:22 PM EST
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I think the only problem is that Hawaii doesn't release birth records to the public. And don't call me Shirley! :)


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:17:18 PM EST
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I agree. And could so easily be resolved, if they would just show his certificate. Silly, not to.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:20:40 PM EST
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Linfar, do you really want our nominee bending over to the GOP and the media.

If you look at my license my first name is Vassilios and my last name is Greek, and unspellable phoenticly.

My parent's immigrated here 4 years before my birth,  My father who shares my first name as his middle and my middle as his first (greek tradition) and was forced(lets say coherced) into changing Vassilios to Basil because it wouldnt fit on a license or SSN card.
What kind of bullshit is that when our names are the same.
Thank god my father decided to keep my greek name when I was born.

Why am I rambling about this, because if I was president it is likely they would ask for my papers too.


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM EST
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Remember the Swifties.  Sometimes you need to make a comment.  It makes little sense to withhold birth record.


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:08:40 PM EST
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yitbos, I agree. I just don't see why they don't release it and move on.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:20:59 PM EST
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It IS strange.  Maybe they are waiting to see if it becomes bigger than it is.  I'm thinking something with the name.


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:28:39 PM EST
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Hey, Crush, this has happened to every immigrant gropup. I tried to do a genealogical thing, but I didn't get far because when the Irish came here, the entrance officials couldn't pronounce their names so they just said things like Farley for O'Farreleigh and like that.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:24:18 PM EST
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Well, yeah, but c'mon, you're Greek!  You could never run a successful Presidential campaign because Greeks are lazy, disorganized slobs.  Their only redeeming trait is that their women are beautiful, but those women choose the worst men.

But enough about my wife.

PS- it's "phonetically".  Spelled the way it sounds.  Ironic, isn't it?
PPS- I assume you caught the implied snark, right?


by synchronicity on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:28:30 PM EST
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Nope.  As Someone who has greek family, I call for your immediate dismissal from this and summary execution at the hands of the Hill is 44 crowd, who will bore and/or surprise you to death with their Bat Shit Crazy rantings.


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:30:43 PM EST
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I call for your immediate dismissal from this and summary execution at the hands of the Hill is 44 crowd, who will bore and/or surprise you to death with their Bat Shit Crazy rantings.

Cr@p!  So, you're saying you take no prisoners and offer No Quarter?

Man, that's a terrible fate you've condemned me to, but as luck would have it, I have some spare tin foil lying around...


by synchronicity on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:45:11 PM EST
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Meh. I don't see the need to cave to smear campaigns like this. Anyone crazy enough to buy the smear in the first place will just say it is fake. And I guarantee you that 0% of those "worried" about this will be persuaded to vote for Obama.


by animated on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:14:47 PM EST
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Yeah, Kerry had your same mind set about his (none / 0)

military records and how well did that turned out for him?


by suzieg on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:46:31 AM EST
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Good Golly! (2.00 / 3)

Little Richard, yeah, I like that.


by mady on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:59:45 PM EST

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At one time Little Richard was both the Queen and King of rock...

rock on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyswxUZ42 L8


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by nogo postal on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:49:04 PM EST
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Linfar (2.00 / 5)

excellent rebuttal of the GOP claims.  Kudos for tracking down this rumor and dispelling it.

Very highly recced.


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by Student Guy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:01:16 PM EST

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woah. you hit it right on the money

those virgos. what a bunch of crazzzzziesss.


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by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:04:38 PM EST

Crazy, Crazy (2.00 / 4)

I have been occasionally checking in on Noquarter and His44.  Its crazy, crazy over there.  

I don't think this the repugs should bring this up since McCain was born in Panama.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:05:03 PM EST

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I hav e sworn off both places. Can't go "home" anymore. Besides, they want to stone me--to death.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:18:45 PM EST
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I just went and looked at No Quarter.  They are talking about a crap cannon.  LOL


by JustJennifer on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:41:14 PM EST
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Crap Cannon,  I can't even imagine.....

I can't help it, I gotta go see

[puts on protective gear]


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:47:28 PM EST
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It's the Pass the Tin Foil Hats Please diary.


by JustJennifer on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:53:44 PM EST
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Actually, I saw that story on FoxNews, which is where they seem to have been getting their stories for a while now.

Reading about the brown note on their website was amusing though.


by Pragmatic Left on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:34:22 PM EST
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Good god!  They're really desperate for something to pin on our guy.  What will happen when they discover that Obama's late father was actually baptised a Mormon?  Wonder if they'll try play it towards the 'secret Muslim' meme or as fuel for crazy pastor outrage.  Will Mitt have some explaining to do?

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/f rameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchre sults.asp


by candidate D on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:10:29 PM EST

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