McCain & Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base

John McCain today hosted a nationwide telephone forum in tandem with Carly Fiorinia, his ambassador to women. This forum is the latest effort by  his campaign in their full court press to lure former supporters of Hillary Clinton.

According to today's Boston Globe:

John McCain is aggressively targeting former supporters of Hillary Clinton, hoping to capitalize on their dissatisfaction with presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama and anger over how Clinton was treated during the Democratic primaries.

More from the Globe:

On Thursday night, Fiorina spoke to dozens of disgruntled Clinton supporters in Columbus, Ohio, and   next week she plans to visit a number of battleground states to speak to women voters.

The campaign is betting that even women who favor abortion rights may be willing to accept a difference of opinion on that issue if they like what they hear McCain saying on broader issues such as national security, the economy, and healthcare.

Barack Obama is also planning to court those same voters.  NARAL Pro-Choice America and Planned Parenthood Action Fund will soon be raising awareness among women voters about McCain's long record of opposing abortion rights.

According to the Globe report:

Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which is running a $10 million grass-roots campaign to recruit 1 million voters for Obama in battleground states, today will kick off a weeklong series of more than 400 house parties across the country. Yesterday the group unveiled an Internet ad highlighting McCain's record on abortion rights and other health issues that it plans to send to 3.5 million of its supporters and the antiwar group MoveOn.org., urging each recipient to forward the ad to five people.

Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood, said yesterday that even the most disaffected Clinton supporters are unlikely to defect to McCain, whose views on abortion and other reproductive health issues are diametrically opposed to Clinton's and Obama's. McCain favors overturning Roe v. Wade, the US Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide, then working to reduce the number of abortions and eventually end them.

But the McCain campaign thinks otherwise.

Women are not single-issue voters," said Crystal Benton, a campaign spokeswoman. "The issues we're hearing from them that matter most are economic prosperity, national security, and choice and portability in healthcare, which puts Senator John McCain in position to fight for each one of their votes."

After a town hall meeting in New Jersey yesterday, McCain repeated his effusive praise for Clinton and acknowledged he had "a lot of work to do " to reach female voters.

"I believe that women all over America need to be assured that I will do everything in my power to continue the progress that has been made in equal opportunity in America, and that means an emphasis on education, that means service to country, and it means providing the same job security that all Americans deserve," he told reporters.

Polls released this week showed the candidates with mixed results among women. In a Gallup tracking poll conducted June 5-9, Obama increased his lead over McCain among women from 5 percentage points to 13 percentage points since Clinton conceded a week ago. But an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey showed that while Clinton led McCain by 14 percentage points among suburban women, Obama trailed by 6 percentage points.

Democratic strategist Mary Anne Marsh of the Dewey Square Group in Boston said the Obama camp should be concerned about the state of the women's vote after a primary that dismayed many Clinton supporters. McCain does not need a majority of women to win the election, she noted, he just has to chip away at Obama's share of the women's vote. Women typically make up a majority of voters in presidential elections.

"I think in this case, there are several threats - Hillary Clinton supporters who may go to support John McCain; Hillary Clinton supporters who may not vote at all, and Hillary Clinton supporters who do nothing between now and November except cast a vote," she said. "Any combination of these things is something to worry about if you are Barack Obama."

This week, several prominent female Clinton supporters issued clarion calls for unity. Ellen Malcolm, president of EMILY's List, which funds female candidates who support abortion rights, presided over a conference call in which she called McCain "out of touch" with women's lives.

At the group's annual luncheon both she and former secretary of state Madeleine Albright urged women to get behind Obama.

And many Clinton supporters, angry and defiant, are not being swayed.

Women for Fair Politics, a group of Clinton supporters in Ohio angry about what they saw as pervasive sexism in the primary campaign and determined to "never let it happen again," hosted Fiorina Thursday night. Two of the group's cofounders, businesswoman Cynthia Ruccia and real estate agent Marilu Sochor, said yesterday that they planned to vote for McCain this fall, even though they were both longtime Democratic activists and strongly in favor of abortion rights.

"It doesn't matter to me if we have all the great things the Democrats can offer if it's OK to go ahead and denigrate 51 percent of the country," Ruccia said in a telephone interview. "Sexism is neither Democratic nor Republican, and it needs to stop."

Sochor said she was also outraged at how Obama had, in her view, alienated key components of the Democratic base during the primary season by not campaigning much in Appalachian states such as West Virginia and Kentucky and by characterizing small-town Pennsylvanian voters as apt to "cling to guns or religion" because they were "bitter" about their circumstances.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/14/mccain_courting_clinton_loyalists/



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Dangerous (none / 0)

I think what needs to be done, is point out that she is the type of CEO who laid their husbands off, just as we would do with Romney. The Supreme Court is an issue as well.


by Lakrosse on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:52:53 PM EST

Re: Dangerous (2.00 / 4)

Umm more than that, she is the CEO who got fired for ILLEGALLY WIRETAPPING her entire board of directors trying to find out who leaked information from a meeting.  She literally hired  a guy to wiretap their phones and hack their emails.  This is the kind of person you want running around as a proxy/surrogate telling people how John McCain won't be a third term for the Bush Administation's policies - LIKE ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:02:53 PM EST
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Re: McCain / Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base (2.00 / 2)

If McCain and Fiorina are successful in their efforts at swaying Hillary's supporters, that will say a lot about McCain and Fiorina, but it will say much more about those they persuade.


by xdem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:54:01 PM EST

Re: McCain / Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base (2.00 / 2)

There's absolutely no evidence that this election is being swayed in any way by angry Clinton voters.

Something for journalists to talk about.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:36:18 AM EST
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Re: McCain & Fiorina Hunting Clinton's (2.00 / 1)

Carly Fiorina... yeah, the one who testified to congress that Americans don't deserve good jobs... and the one who ran HP into the ground by outsourcing every American job in sight...

If that's the woman that Clinton supporters want to follow, than good riddance to them... Fiorina is the antithesis of democratic ideas and principles... anyone who follows her aren't interested in the ideas, values, and principles that are the foundation of our value system.

Good luck to them... I hope they make such a stink about trying to "woo Hillary supporters" that they further alienate the republican base by playing kissy-kissy with the Clintons.

And the dead enders that want to cut off their nose to spite their face over single issue politics... bye!  We'll manage to win without you... even if you are willing to sell your principles down the river for petty revenge....


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:55:36 PM EST

Re: McCain & Fiorina Hunting Clinton's (2.00 / 4)

We should try to persuade the ones we can.  Don't get mad at them until they've given you a reason to.

There's time to heal.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:09:44 PM EST
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asdf (none / 0)

The key is to know who's angry but reachable, who is trying to wring some goodies out of the party and who is a NOvemberist.

Knowing this is key to properly managing campaign resources and picking a VP.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:25:07 PM EST
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Settle down there, sparky. nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:14:38 PM EST
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Re: McCain & Fiorina Hunting Clinton's (2.00 / 2)

And the dead enders that want to cut off their nose to spite their face over single issue politics... bye!

And your response right here is exactly why Obama will have a hard time in the GE.  Thanks to people exactly like you who will be responsible if he does lose.

Petty revenge?  You are selling the democratic principles down the river with each comment like yours here.

Change...you bet your ass there better be change.  Starting with your comments.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:58:29 PM EST
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Re: McCain & Fiorina Hunting Cli (none / 0)

And voting for McCain is somehow endorsing Democratic principles?  Please explain!

I do regret that I wasn't clear that I think that there is only a small, small minority that would be wooed to McCain out of spite... and their apparent numbers may be inflated by Limbaugh's Operation Chaos operatives masquerading as Democrats.

Still, the party won't be held hostage by people who Claim to be democrats, but refuse to endorse the party's nominee.  If you aren't going to vote for the party nominee, it's pure chutspah to demand the party to beholden to you for anything...  If there's something you want that is workable, we can and should make a deal... but threatening to vote republican is a complete dealbreaker.  The party should not give into "hostage-like" demands.

I don't understand the absolute obsession with this one nominee... I've never had the nominee of my choice in an election year... ever!  But, I get over it quickly...  The party and it's platform is way more important than any single candidate.  Why is that so hard for so many Hillary supporters to grasp?  Hillary Clinton is NOT the end all and be all of the Democratic Party.  WE are the democratic party.

This years primary should have made that fact clear...  the people powered candidate beat the establishment, insider candidate.  That's a big deal!  And a good one for the party, and the country, as a whole!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:58:21 PM EST
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How's this? (2.00 / 2)

I don't understand the absolute obsession with this one nominee... I've never had the nominee of my choice in an election year... ever!

Possibly because none of your nominees ever got more votes than any other Democratic nominee ever. Ours did--despite the media, despite the heavy handed tactics on the blogs, despite the intimidation at caucuses, despite being carried over the finish line by the party, and despite the rampant sexism throughout it all.


by SophieL on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:20:38 PM EST
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Re: How's this? (none / 0)

YOURS DID NOT!

She did NOT get more votes...  you can't count illegal elections and discount valid ones (i.e. the  caucuses you hate so much, even though Hillary won the Nevada caucuses...)

You can believe the spin all you want, but it's just that... spin.  The truth is Hillary lost the race after Wisconsin, period... Everyone knew it... even her own campaign knew it... sure, she carried on, giving her supporters false hope, but the fact is, she knew that she had no shot...

Why she continued his impossible quixotic quest is unknown... but, she did, and now we have to deal with the bitterness of people who feel that she won, when she actually lost 4 months ago.  Perhaps that was the real goal... I don't know...

It could have been different.  She could have stood up to Bush against the war.  She could have made amends with the activists.  She could have repaired her AA problems after SC..  She could have done a lot of things differently...

But, she didn't... and she lost... Voting for McCain won't change that, now or in 2012, or ever.

What exactly do you want?  Seriously.  What do you want?  Respect?  She's gotten it... she fought from an impossible position and managed to win the hearts of a lot of people.  I'm impressed.  through her efforts, the DLC will get to live another day.  Do you want sympathy?  You've got it!  I can honestly empathize with people who feel that she's the only hope for a woman in the oval office... I know you don't believe me, but I understand better than you think. But, I also believe that there are other, better female candidates that will win the office sooner than you think.  She's not the be all and end all of that dream.  The next female candidate will be a much, much better choice and will win in a landslide.  I honestly believe that and will work VERY hard to make it happen.  That's why I don't mourn the lost opportunity.  I don't feel it's the end of the dream, but only the beginning.

Tell me what you want from me, and I will give it!  I promise!  I want us to be united, and I'm willing to give what it takes to do so, but I'm not a mind reader.  You need to tell us what you want from us, and we will give it!

I promise you that!  Just stop threatening to vote for McCain, and we can work this out.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:47:14 PM EST
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Re: Tell us what you want (2.00 / 2)

 We cannot give them what they want.

I'll tell you why:

Either they want Hillary to be the nominee, and that can't happen because she didn't win it - something Hillary has graciously conceded already.

Or they want McCain to win and have always wanted McCain to win, and that's not going to happen because he's going to have his ass handed to him in a bucket come election day.


by xdem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:05:00 PM EST
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Re: How's this? (none / 0)

I disagree with many of your points. In particular, where you think my vote is going.

I am not threatening to vote for McCain and I never have. I am actively discouraging anyone from voting for McCain.

My vote is going for a candidate I want, not a lesser of two evils. If there is no such candidate, my vote is going blank.


by SophieL on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 07:57:24 AM EST
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Yup. We figured this would happen. (2.00 / 2)

But in the end, I don't think they'll pull enough Hillary supporters to win the the election. There are always defections. I think the MSM is going out of its way to make the division in the party seem worse than it really is.

That said, we need to make a special effort to reach out to women -- older women, in particular.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:24:34 PM EST

Re: Yup. We figured this would happen. (2.00 / 1)

I dunno. Every website, chatline, etc I was on before has gone militantly and wildly anti-obama. I have never seen anything like it. And they are so mad. I wish Obama would relly go after them. If he feels as if he can win without them, it will be bad for the party.  


by linfar on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:48:12 PM EST
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Re: Yup. We figured this would happen. (2.00 / 1)

yeah but most of those sites are littered with trolls taking advantage of those who feel they were wronged by an Obama nomination, so you are likely to see some heavy anti-Obama sentiment.  Hopefully, these democrats will see through this by November.

I think continuing to inform the real unswayed democrats is to remind them to keep the eye on the prize and that McCain will never get them there.  Also, keep reminding them that their chosen candidate is working with Obama to help us all reach our goals, the ones tha she has worked for her entire life, which are also the same things that attracted them to Hillary in the first place.
If some cannot be swayed then make sure to counter them in posts when they promote lies, smears, and republican talkiing points.


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:59:21 PM EST
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Would happen? (2.00 / 1)

You might not have noticed at the time, but those sites were wildly anti-Obama way before the end of the primaries.  I fully expect the handful of people on those sites will post anti-Obama smears throughout his two terms.  

We've witnessed the birth of the internet version of the Arkansas Project.  I'm glad you made it out.



John McCain - That third Bush term you always dreamed of.
by Didion on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:40:30 PM EST
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Re: Yup. We figured this would happen. (none / 0)

I think Hillary herself will go after these voters to support the Democratic nominee after some cooling off time, and when she does we will see the true colors of her supporters on the blogs.


by dead goat on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:47:24 PM EST
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Re: Yup. We figured this would happen. (2.00 / 1)

Hillaryis44.com has only 300 active posters...  

Just 'cos they are loud, doesn't mean they are plentiful.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:59:17 PM EST
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I agree, he needs to do a lot of reaching out. (2.00 / 1)

I'm hoping that some of those really militant anti-Obama people are just trolls trying to divide us. I certainly wouldn't put it past the freepers to have sent those folks to cause trouble as far back as January.

Honestly, I understand their anger. I was angry for a long time. But before you get too anxious about all the division, remember that I'm the person who wrote this. And yet, I've now been defending Obama whenever possible for the last two months. So people can change their minds. I think things will improve over time. I hope, anyway.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:33:39 PM EST
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Re: I agree, he needs to do a lot of reaching out. (none / 0)

I don't understand the anger... she lost the race back in February fair and square...  Was she treated unfairly?  Maybe, but no more so than Howard Dean, who was drummed out by the media for a phony scream...

There is absolutely nothing to be angry about... except for the incompetence of Hillary's campaign managers.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:53:30 PM EST
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Hm, (2.00 / 2)

perhaps you're forgetting that anger is often an irrational emotion? She was treated unfairly by the media. But so was Obama during and after the Wright controversy. Mud was flung on all sides -- Barack threw some, as well. When people are hurting, they often react with anger. That isn't abnormal.

A lot of the people on His44 and NQ are abnormal, though. It's one thing to be angry; it's quite another to make racist remarks and death threats.

And personally, I was very angry about what the MSM did to Dean. I adored him. Likewise, I'm still angry about the was the MSM has treated both Hillary and Obama. There's nothing wrong with being mad, as long as people don't take it too far. Sadly, a lot of people seem intent on doing just that.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:00:39 PM EST
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Re: Hm, (2.00 / 2)

* the way the MSM has treated both Hillary and Obama.

Perhaps my typing isn't all that it should be.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:03:22 PM EST
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Re: Yup. We figured this would happen. (none / 0)

I'm not too sympathetic to this "we need the idiot vote" argument.  Most of these people will get over their tantrums about their candidate losing.  Those who don't aren't worth the trouble.


by username on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:14:24 AM EST
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Re: Yup. We figured this would happen. (none / 0)

McCain risks further alienating his base by praising Hillary Clinton... I'm sure they weren't happy to hear him say that she's his "very good friend" during the lime green jello speech.  It just further reinforces their suspicions of him as a "true conservative"


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:00:51 PM EST
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Re: Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base (2.00 / 1)

Maybe the Obama campaign ought to reconsider its disinterest in appealing to these voters.  They represent the most vulnerable portion of the Democratic coalition.  I don't think John McCain is any kind of political magician, but the last thing we can afford is to underestimate our enemies.

Barack Obama would do well to strengthen his support in this area, although, short of putting Senator Clinton on the ticket, I'm not entirely sure how he does that.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:44:31 PM EST

Re: Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base (none / 0)

I would think that his position on lissues alone would reach these people, being that he and Hillary has nearly the same positions.  I don't know why Hillary on the ticket should change anyone's mind when their goals and objectives are so similar.  But then again, I do see that Hillary on the ticket would pacify a lot of those supporters currently  holding out right now.


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:02:31 PM EST
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Re: Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base (none / 0)

sorry, "issues", not lissues, whatever they are


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:03:12 PM EST
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Fiorina can't appeal to Clinton's Base, (2.00 / 1)

which in the latter primaries was working class and older whites. Fiorina's a sitting duck on the outsourcing issue, and McCain's position on Social Security is spectacularly regressive.

But will Obama attack them on those two issues?


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:49:33 PM EST

Re: Fiorina can't appeal to Clinton's Base, (none / 0)

It doesn't matter.  You're dealing with dozens (dozens!) of people who only care that she has ovaries and opposes Barack Obama.


by username on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:16:56 AM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 3)

I can understand some of Clinton's supporters sitting out this election.

However, going from Clinton to McCain would be like going from Howard Dean to George Bush.

If McCain and that loser Fiorina are successful, it will say much more about the women they persuade than the McCain campaign and their surrogates themselves.


by MJJLWolf on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:15:51 PM EST

Re: McCain & Fiorina (2.00 / 1)

It's only a week after Clinton officially conceded.

JUST ONE WEEK.

I'm sure it will take time for folks to make the transition.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:33:31 PM EST

Re: Some other issues (none / 0)

I wrote this in a diary today:

Barack Obama has fought for many of the causes that brought Hillary Clinton and many other Democrats into politics in the first place. He has worked to expand health care in Illinois. Barack Obama has co-sponsored Hillary Clinton's bill to declare election day a federal holiday and restore voting rights to ex-felons who served their sentences. Barack Obama sponsored a resolution last Congress -- which Hillary Clinton was proudly an original co-sponsor -- rejecting a photo identification voting requirement. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both have co-sponsored bills to rectify recent Supreme Court decisions -- including the Ledbetter case and other pay discrimination.  Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have both co-sponsored the Equal Rights Amendment.

Meanwhile, John McCain has spent his entire public career opposing these causes at the top of his lungs. In his first year in Congress, John McCain voted against the Equal Rights Amendment and against establishing a federal holiday for MLK. Four years later, McCain supported his governor's decision to rescind MLK holiday for Arizona. In 1989, McCain reversed his opposition to Arizona's MLK holiday, but still opposed establishing a federal holiday for MLK, and voted to strip funding from the MLK commission.

John McCain has voted to confirm Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, and Sam Alito to the Supreme Court. In 1990, he opposed the civil rights bill correcting 1980's Supreme Court decisions.

John McCain has time and again voted against clean minimum wage increases. John McCain even voted last year to repeal effectively the landmark 1938 law. John McCain also opposed the 1996 minimum wage increase even when a large number of Senate Republicans vote for the increase.

On health care, John McCain -- like George W. Bush -- wants to replace community rated health insurance with a $5,000 tax credit where insurance companies can accept or reject applicants on an individual basis.


by Brad G on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:40:17 PM EST

Thanks for the info... (none / 0)

... but I can't rec this diary.  If you provided some reasons why McCains attemps are disingenuous and why they are doomed to fail, or reasons why Hillary supporters would be crazy to support McCain, you would have earned my respect and a recommendation.



John McCain - That third Bush term you always dreamed of.
by Didion on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:58:09 PM EST

Fiorina Hunting Clinton's Base (none / 0)

Isn't this the same woman who "left" HP because she was basically kicked out because she is corrupt and a horrible CEO?


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by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:15:42 AM EST

Re: McCain & Fiorina Hunting (none / 0)

Those dumb women cited in the article as hosting the event for Fiorina probably dont mind McCain laughing when some stupid moron asked mccain "How do we beat the bitch?"


by Pravin on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:56:21 AM EST


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